“hold off, So is this a romantic date?” Podcast Episode 209: Bottoming with Chingy | Autostraddle
Why don’t we earn some sound for soles inside your home! (It’s me, the base inside your home.) Bottom Culture is becoming rather a Thing⢠using the internet lately! Exactly what can it really mean become a bottom? Why gets the society chose bottoming is actually similar to becoming scared to inquire of for what you need? And exactly how really does you go-about choosing when they fancy bottoming?!
With these questions rattling around our very own thoughts, demanding responses, Drew and I also understood there was only 1 person we’re able to visit for a curved, passionate conversation about bottoming: The Gay Chingy AKA Chingy Nea, AKA the underside Supreme. Chingy is one of the greatest people i am aware creating and tweeting nowadays, and also as a bottom me, Im recognized to call the woman my leader. Chingy allows us to tease aside exactly what it ways to end up being a bottom, exactly why she hates “smol bean” bottom part culture, the human body as hole, along with your human body as
whole
. It really is a very beautiful talk, basically perform say so myself! Please know i realize that I state “gorgeous” more or less three thousand occasions this occurrence, I am also seeking assistance for my situation. (the illness is actually talking like 57 yr old white gay guy.)
And! Recently’s video game involves me guessing in the event that challenging plots Drew describes fit in with a motion picture or a dream she had circa 2006. It is hard!
SHOW NOTES
+ Browse Chingy’s
Bottom Manifesto
, follow her
on Twitter
and
IG
!
+is a list of most of the flicks that Drew used in her game:
-
The Seventh Seal
(1937) -
Discussing Child
(1938) -
Pierrot ce Fou
(1965) -
Dark Swan
(2010)
+Watch Anna Faris carry out the best work of her career in
Smiley Face!
+Let
Shohreh Aghdashloo chat that sleep while outfitted as Chrisjen
Avasarala
from
The Expanse
as you deserve that.
+Cindy Wilson in the B52s is fairly hot and frankly? “Love Shack” however whips!
+
Robert Mitchum
, stone cold fox.
EPISODE
Chingy
: i have just been bottoming since I was actually, I’m not sure, as far back as i will recall.
Drew
: Cue Rags to Riches from
Goodfellas.
Chingy
: As far back as i could keep in mind, I always planned to end up being a base, no, but type of
[intro performs]
Drew
: Hi, I’m Drew.
Christina
: I Am Christina.
Drew
: Thanks for visiting
Wait, Is It a romantic date
?
Christina
:
Hold off, Is This a romantic date?
is an Autostraddle podcast centered on the main one, the only real the largest question of one’s instances: hold off, Is it a romantic date?
Drew
: And, wow, I absolutely simply froze upwards there.
Christina
: I was like, oh shit, I happened to be supposed to say some thing! [laughs]
Drew
: I’m really quick with the banter, my mind merely⦠the fact is that I found myself checking out over my game records, which we aren’t at but because we still have to introduce ourselves. Therefore, I’m going to make an effort to stay dedicated to one job at the same time.
Christina
: Focus upwards!
Drew
: i am Drew Gregory, i will be a writer for Autostraddle, and a filmmaker, and a trans girl.
Christina
: Hi, I am Christina Tucker, forgot my last name for a hot moment, no big deal. Im additionally a writer at Autostraddle as well as other locations on the web, a podcaster, a gay black colored girl. Which is sorts of it, puppy, that’s myself.
Drew
: I like it. Okay, now we-
Christina
: today the game.
Drew
: are we able to have fun with the online game?
Christina
: Can we get to the game? I will let you know’re excited, I will tell you’re merely shaking.
Drew
: So, i am maintaining an aspiration journal since 2007, as well as the assumption for this video game is-
Christina
: I didn’t understand this about you!
Drew
: Yes, it’s not as up-to-date now, we accustomed write-down all my hopes and dreams and then it is only when some thing actually sticks. But, the assumption of your online game is actually, am we explaining the plot of an aspiration I experienced as I was an adolescent, or in the morning I describing the storyline of a film that we cherished whenever I was a teenager?
Christina
: Oh guy, ok.
Drew
: So, ways it will probably go is I’ll always describe it as an aspiration plus 1st person. Thus, if it was
Celebrity Wars,
I would resemble, I’m in space and I also’m fighting included in a rebellion, there’s an evil man that’s sporting a black robot match and it also turns out he’s my father. Which is how I’ll describe it, the manner by which we explain ambitions, but often it can be an aspiration, sometimes it’ll end up being from a motion picture. Prepared?
Christina
: i am anything, I am not sure that i am prepared, but let us rock. Why don’t we see what i will carry out right here.
Drew
: Okay, I’m on a beach and I see this odd guy dressed up in black colored. He informs me that he’s Death and then we can play a-game to decide easily live or if the guy takes me personally. We are able to get away, but almost everywhere I-go, individuals are unwell and I feel like dying continues to be following me.The only happy part occurs when We satisfy a theater troupe and they are lots of fun.
Christina
: This,In my opinion, is actually a dream.
Drew
: this will be Ingmar Bergman’s
The Seventh Seal
from 1957.
Christina
: that is will be a proper gotcha on CT’s traditional motion picture expertise, because the thing I realize Drew, inside adolescence, wasn’t undertaking ended up being watching flicks that i’ll acknowledge. At this time, I’m method of wishing that I have seen none of them. I believe which will be more pleasurable personally.
Drew
: Another one, i am ending up in my family several Italian American gangsters. One of many gangsters demands that I provide over some cash, but my family and that I was able to escape. We run away through this all cold terrain, on your way we fulfill an actress and connect with this lady. We end up in a suburb. I think we are going to begin a fresh life with each other until she requires us to a huge mansion, and I also understand it belongs to the gangster. It was all a trap, the gangster shows up so there’s a confrontation. I kill him, the dream comes to an end using celebrity doing a musical quantity.
Christina
: Is this a movie?
Drew
: this could be an aspiration I’d in 2008.
Christina
: Okay, wow. Boy, yeah, i assume i must understand that its 2000, it really is old school received mind. That’s what I have to bear in mind.
Drew
: additionally love, what motion pictures had been we viewing at the time and just how a lot did that impact my ambitions?
Christina
: Well, yeah, demonstrably quite a bit!
Drew
: an enjoyable simple truth is that I happened to be really, i did not include this simply because I was thinking this might give it out, but the gangster was actually Tony Soprano because I happened to be watching
The Sopranos
in 2008. So, that is a fun little reality. Okay, next one, i’ve an essential project, but this hot girl turns up and begins annoying myself. I wish to be together, but I also should get could work done, therefore I tell the lady to go out of. She keeps after myself. Out of the blue, a leopard looks within my area and that I must spend rest of the dream trying to find the leopard. I am still actually anxious, I never ever complete might work, but about the lady is actually hot.
Christina
: it’s to-be a dream you have, this has as a Drew fantasy.
Drew
: That Is Howard Hawks’
Discussing Baby
from 1938.
Christina
: No, but that’s a dream of yours, this is the many Drew fantasy I ever heard. Now at this time, I’m simply gonna be spinning motion picture background, to match my personal whims.
Drew
: Great, i enjoy that. Okay, i am at a celebration and I also do not love any individual there. At long last, we see this girl, we once had a crush on and then we choose to leave together. We choose the woman household, but they are chased off from this number of males that happen to be trying to eliminate the lady. We wind up on a beach also it seems like we’re going to end up being fine up until the guys look for united states. She eventually ends up getting into this various other man, therefore I just take cartoonish dynamite and decide to strike my self up
Christina
: Movie.
Drew
: this can be! This really is Jean Luc Goddard’s
Pierrot le Fou
, from 1965.
Christina
: never have viewed, but that appears like a ding dang motion picture to me.
Drew
: Great, I like it. There is a narration describing a strange watercraft like construction which is impractical to damage. I want on a retreat around the structure, the escape is kind of theater associated, sort of religious. You will find a crush on this girl on escape, but she’s a boyfriend. Amid the shows and rituals, there’s a lot of drama between me which woman and her sweetheart, it finishes beside me alone. There has been a sequence exposing that motorboat design is actually impossible to damage because a mechanical supply fixes it into the evening.
Christina
: which can be such a thing in many steps, I’m going to state flick once more, why-not?
Drew
: its an aspiration from 2011, that performed have narration from somebody else, you are aware, it occurs!
Christina
: this is actually great promo to possess an aspiration diary, because personally i think think its great might be fun easily could keep in mind my personal fantasies in this way.
Drew
: No person really likes as soon as you explain your own aspirations for them. I actually do however, and I also’m the buddy, when you need record the desires and tell me, i’d want to read about all of them.
Christina
: Okay, that’s very nice to listen to.
Drew
: i’ve two more.
Christina
: Okay.
Drew
: i am in a lovely yard with a small grouping of pals, all of us be seemingly awakening from becoming drugged. We’re forced to bathe in an acid that empties pigment and we be gothic and blue-eyed. Individuals in charge start training united states to kill, it turns out this place is being run by a crazy dictator, we resist obtaining entirely brainwashed. There is this woman here i’ve a crush on and that I convince their to leave beside me, while escaping I get shot and killed, nevertheless girl becomes away. When she actually leaves the prison, she finds out we’re in the middle of a forest generally there’s nowhere to visit.
Christina
: Movie.
Drew
: that might be the very first fantasy in my own fantasy log from, we stated, “2007.” That it is 2006.
Christina
: Wow.
Drew
: i believed it had been interesting that I pass away inside the dream, although other individual continues on. However now, there is some odd sex stuff happening truth be told there, and I’m attending have to contemplate this 1 for some time.
Christina
: undoubtedly do this.
Drew
: Okay, i’ve one more.
Christina
: Okay.
Drew
: I’ve been considering the possibility to end up being a ballerina, my personal mommy insists i will not be able to do so. There’s this additional woman inside the tv series who In my opinion is actually hot, but I’m stressed she’s going to replace me personally. I’m battling in rehearsal, but-end up leaving utilizing the lady, we connect. It is hot, but i’m myself personally dropping control, we return to the dancing tv series. My own body seems to be morphing into another thing, i am stressed that i will mess-up.
Christina
: this is exactly a movie.
Drew
: So,
Black Swan
.
Christina
: Yes, that will be
Black Swan
, definitely.
Drew
: maybe you have seen
Black Swan
? That was one I imagined you seen.
Christina
: I’ve come across
Ebony Swan
, I⦠Fun fact, we proceeded a date with men to see
Black Swan
.
Drew
: Wow.
Christina
: Just straight things i did so.
Drew
: What was that like?
Christina
: Weird, it actually was strange.
Drew
: Did you like the motion picture? Did he like movie?
Christina
: i do believe, I had currently seen it, I think I was similar, “Let’s go view it once again.” I do believe, I found myself extremely pro
Ebony Swan,
as well as for right heterosexual factors, definitely.
Drew
: Sure, okay.
Christina
: And, he was like, “That was weird.” And I had been like, “Oh well, we aren’t attending consistently big date.”
Drew
: Wow, well I wish him a, i really hope he’s somewhere doing well. Thanks a lot for playing this game with me.
Christina
: Wow, i am thus pleased we moved two for but a lot of we did on that.
Drew
: Not bad.
Christina
: maybe not awful.
Drew
: You Probably Did a lot better than Elise performed when I wanted to find out if it was a functional online game that may operate, and she ended up being my personal guinea pig. So, she merely had gotten one right.
Christina
: reasonable adequate.
Drew
: Should we move on to the major topic associated with the week?
Christina
: let us get into it, let us have this special guest in.
Drew
: Well, I want to first claim that the main subject with the week is bottoming, so we could have only one really special visitor.
Christina
: its only one person.
Drew
: is it possible to kindly introduce yourself?
Chingy
: Hi, I’m Chingy Nea, otherwise known as The Gay Chingy. I’m a Writer, Filmmaker, and gasian leather dyke muppet. I will be in addition America’s first bottom.
Christina
: Yes, i believe when we were speaking about topics and we also’re like, “we’re able to talk about bottoming there’s virtually one person we could have regarding the pod to achieve this, there’s just one one who is quite literally the Supreme.”
Chingy
: Thank you for acknowledging, it feels very good getting the wonder recognized, many thanks
Christina
: Yes, while’ve done fantastic work, and here our company is recognizing it.
Drew
: i do want to know once you feel just like you became America’s best bottom. Whenever was actually that a word and a label and an identity which you actually conducted onto?
Chingy
: Well, therefore I frequently simply say, “i am the underside Supreme.” Because, whom cares about The united states?
Drew
: Certain.
Christina
: Fair enough.
Chingy
: Yeah, I think that I always was effective in bottoming, however in 2017 or something like that, I decided to go to a play party which was just for fem leading sadists conquering me personally right up for six to seven several hours directly, and it was just myself, and I also was actually like, “Oh, i am the best which is previously already been.” Right after which, I think after that, I just kept escalating and being, wow, I’m so fun to watch. Wow, I’m therefore interesting as a bottom, this might be wow, every person just who gets to finest me personally is really lucky. And, it really moved from there, I think, following I composed articles called i am a far greater Bottom versus You. Here’s The Reason Why. It had been sort of a manifesto, it actually was a bottom manifesto.
Christina
: Yes, can confirm.
Chingy
: And, a lot of people have explained, “its altered the way they have a look at intercourse.” And, i prefer that a lot. It is the one post to my internet site that i have created here. I’ve authored at
Vice
,
Teenage Style
,
Vulture
â
Autostraddle
ended up being the initial location we had written, actually. But yeah, that’s the one weblog on my web site, when you need to test it.
Christina
: I like a stronger brand, I favor understanding a brand, and I believe that’s actually gorgeous, simply, brand handling of your own personal bottomy your self. I do believe, that is truly breathtaking observe.
Chingy
: Thank you, I managed to get my personal first writing possibility at
Autostraddle
because I happened to be writing about being a bottom, being poly, and being actually deep into becoming a fabric dyke. And because subsequently, I began to write on a number of other activities, but getting bottom great just form of may be the one through distinctive line of all of it.
Christina
: Yes.
Drew
: I additionally feel you’re an extremely energetic base in addition to in the manner you write about, and speak about, and I presume experience bottoming that you’re really effective. Whereas, i believe there’s lots of the queer society, perhaps, especially the lesbian neighborhood, that maybe thinks about bottoming as⦠I’m not sure-
Chingy:
Passivity
.
Christina
: Mm-hmm
(Affirmative)
.
Drew
: Yeah.
Chingy
: Yeah, I usually claim that there’s way less bottoms than people think are soles. I think there is a significant difference between being a bottom and just not knowing or asking for what you would like. I do believe those are two entirely various things that individuals conflate.
Christina
: I would need certainly to concur, I also believe the way that you mention bottoming is, I mean, let’s simply state it, much much less irritating compared to the way more and more people speak about being a base or identify with bottom part culture. Because, I do believe exactly what many are saying explicitly or non explicitly is simply, i will be idle nor care doing any sort of motion, task, et-cetera, i would really like things completed to myself. And, if I have to seek that in any way, that hurts my personal thoughts. And, you’re delicious and so strong at getting, these represent the issues that i’d like, bring these to me and I will rock and roll the world. That is attractive if you ask me.
Chingy
: Thank you so much, after all, that is what you need to do as effective in just some thing, you must place yourself available to choose from and try and come up with errors and acquire harm a bit, and, I am not sure, study from it.
Christina
: i believe which is good information, honestly.
Chingy
: i have only already been bottoming since I had been, I am not sure, dating back I can recall. [laughs]
Drew
: Cue “Rags to Riches” from
Goodfellas
.
Chingy
: Yeah, dating back i will recall, i usually wished to end up being a bottom. No, but form of, while I was 13 or 14, I found myself currently viewing BDSM website for lesbian SADOMASOCHISM web pages. Thus, I wasn’t under any delusions with what I was pertaining to, I happened to be having women I dated in senior school choke myself out, we knew the thing I wished. And therefore, that degree of understanding has just given me quite a while to know what I want and learn how to get it.
Christina
: Gorgeous, received, give me your feelings on bottoming.
Drew
: Well, I’m in fact truly excited to share with you this simply because I feel like in 2019 {when I|as I|while